Steven Gerrard ran over a kid Equally I am not familiar with this Liverpool are doing it the right way? ?Ah Yeah won fuck all as usualCTID!!..YNWFA!! Categories . (These, incidentally, do not tend to be described as Liverpool supporters in part because of claims at the time from John Smith, the clubs chairman, and two Merseyside councilors that National Front members from London had been responsible. Shocking and accurate. Published by on October 31, 2021. Or by navigating to the user icon in the top right. They do all they can to gloss over this tragedy, blaming everyone and everything other than themselves. 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Post links disproving everything thats said in the article; Id be (genuinely) interested as a matter of discourse. There is an annual indication and vindication of such hypocrisy every time the Kop allows the Bucharest 1986 flag to proudly fly. Perhaps a podcast might be in order sometime, with a guest from the now disbanded Association for the Victims of Heysel (Lorentini? Many thanks to @Talkinoutmyarse Anyone who has watched Being: Liverpool will know he certainly is not a genius. The private ceremony at Anfield this morning. The coach driver advised us to lie on top of each other in the isle to protect us from missiles being thrown through the broken windows as we left the city. Scousers rule the world. WORK. Why don't we remember the Juventus fans who never came home? So Liverpool are owned by foreign businessmen (same as Man City and Chelsea), make huge losses (same as Man City and Chelsea), yet are considered as doing it the right way., Steven Gerrard is great captain and deserves his loyalty rewarded, Steven Gerrard tried to engineer a move to Chelsea They are more approachable on the subject that many would think and are often very glad to know that we have not forgotten the 39. For almost 20 years they were totally financially boosted by Littlewoods Pools, which made it impossible for any other club in Europe to compete with them. What a joke! all i can say is i hope you guys do not represent the majority of arsenal fans. Im not even a Liverpool fan and I think parts of this article are crap. There needs to be a time where the fixation on Hillsborough ends and I fear it wont be even after justice has been sought. Sad to see your result today against the rent boys (even if I personally find a City title win more soluble! Liverpool: 40. The attitude of many of our fans towards Heysel has always troubled me somewhat. Shades of 89 in the pre mobile phone era, nor shall I forget my Dad telling me of the hours he spent on the phone to a hospital in Brussels as they read out a list of the names of the dead & injured. It seems to have been forgotten by the press however that Liverpool are owned by the Fenway Group, a conglomerate of brokers, bankers, hedge fund managers and media executives. An excellent, thoughtful and honest piece of writing. In Turin I asked at the tourist office about any memorial and was sent to the new ground on the edge of town. Whilst Shields has been correctly released from a jail after the murder of a Bulgarian man before a Liverpool away game, there is a murderer out there who was happy with his own mate taking the fall. It has come from the likes of Jamie Carragher, Alan Hansen, Mark Lawrenson, Graeme Souness and Jamie Redknapp. I think you will find that the eternal flames either side of Liverbird are a sign of respect for families of the 96. And where have you heard that before? He is still scarred by what he witnessed that night. Great article, if you want to read more indepth articles on someone who was actually there visit: I was not there, but have some strong memories of that evening. When I came to, I was in a 24-bed ward on my own, with an armed guard at the bottom of the bed. Non ero allo stadio (per fortuna). There have always been arseholes who fight at football matches and travel just for that (West Hams inter City form for one). Also, as Oliver Kay pointed out in this article (http://www.theanfieldwrap.com//what-about-justice-for/) the Belgian authorities did not check tickets and just waved people into the stadium. Evans recalls that the outer wall, made of cinder block, was decaying, that he was not required to show his ticket and that, long before the stampede, he saw a crash barrier in front of him crumble. Chelsea: 410m Liverpool do it right in regards to keeping season tickets and prices low, unlike Arsenal. Venture onto Twitter right now and you'll find only a smattering of messages from English fans, many of them devoted to petty tribal point-scoring rather than the tragedy itself. We have much common ground here when it comes to not just Heysel, but with regards Hillsborough also. The seeds of Heysel were sown 12 months earlier in Rome when Liverpool fans were subjected to vicious attacks by Italians with no intervention from the Italian police, more than 40 liverpool fans were seriously injured (mostly stabbings) yet UEFA took no action against Roma. What about the truth of what happened there?. So was gendarme captain Johan Mahieu, who was in charge of the policing the stands at Heysel. Then of course you have the fact that many rival supporters of other Italian clubs still use it as a cheap way to have a dig at them (by waving LFC scarves and banners, singing offensive songs etc), which will be something LFC fans can all relate to. Arsenal: 52 Why do the club's fans sing about the 96, but not about the 39? Billionaires in their own right. And they were only doing what all other English supporters were doing at that time rampaging across foreign fields and intimidating perceived enemies whenever they got the chance. Heysel is an unspeakably awkward subject for Liverpool perhaps more, perhaps less, for the anguish the club and the city endured four years later at Hillsborough. Did you mean Liverpool fans climbing walls to get out of a crush? The most compelling reason is because of the way they rioted at Heysel Stadium in 1985, causing English clubs to be banned from Europe for some years. @Bob I agree it reads like a hatchet job, but it is nonetheless all factual OR AT LEAST very reliably sourced, isnt it? Do they talk about this at their annual hillsborough services? Learn how your comment data is processed. From a selfish point of view, we knew where our family and friends were all sat and had identified they were safe. Prior to Heysel the violence that season was at Millwall, Chelsea, West Ham and Leeds. Terrible what happened but the deaths occurred from fans running away not hand to hand combat. CTID. It is in a place where there is a continuous recording of singing and shouting at the Juve success and is in such a place that most folk just go straight by it. Tel. We didnt want to play. Manchester United, Chelsea & Everton fans all point scoring today with the #JFT39 shouts. The world was appalled. What a terrible night for football regardless of who you support or who you blame. Even as a Liverpool fan that pisses me off. Travelling in their masses without tickets causing unsafe over crowding within the police cordons and fan zones. Another fan telling the reporter that 10,000 charged the gates https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJL8EQKlv7s of course according to the TRUTH enquiry none of this had any impact on the outcome. There can never be justice for 39 lives lost at a football match, but it is in Turin , not on Merseyside, that the cries of the bereaved have met with silence down the years. Selling their own fake tickets for 1,000. It does not convey what happened on the ground at Heysel. I lasted all of three minutes into the match before the shoulder went again, and I was whisked off to the local hospital. Equally we dont know what was said to prompt the attack. This is all entirely justified. The second: it was English supporters who were. Actually, they might have a point, even if they raise it out of malice rather than consideration for the bereaved. The true supporters like myself are equally appalled as you are at what happened at Heysel, and any act of violence for that matter, and yes weve had a handful of idiots causing trouble which has let the club and its supporters down, like the recent celebration night with a handful of melon heads spoiling it in the city centre, I dont recall any trouble when we won Ole Big Ears last season or when over 2,500 gathered to cheer the team after Istanbul. From The good people of Liverpool, how could we ever express our sorrow for what we did @ Heysel ? Fewer games has restricted injuries, and meant that the likes of Sturridge and Sterling have been able to play at the top of the game for the entire season. Presumably even less so in Turin. As it is apologetic, on aniverserys. That doesnt clear anybody of any responsibility for what happened, but it showed it was a move from UEFA that was almost asking for trouble. Hey did you know that Arsenal havent even won the European Cup? madewell brand ambassador. Of the clubs first European Cup triumph in 1985, it says: The long-awaited success in Europe s highest accolade was tainted with sadness Something unexplainable happened . Maybe the Scouse Nicklas Bendtner. IBT UK Morning Brief - Let the best of International News come to you. Liverpool fans are hypocrites really. in the meantime, you can keep your hate whilst we move forward. im going to run a kid over. Thats all you needed to say. Supporters of rival teams chant Murderers and the Liverpool fans have little response. The end of MrDT should also spell the end for AFTV, She Wore A Yellow Ribbon, The Arsenal's Wembley Song, The three Hale End boys ready to step up to the Arsenal first team in 2023, Royal Mail agree to Arsenal postcode change, MATCH REPORT: Leicester City 0 - 1 Arsenal. 4. I stayed overnight and in the morning Roy Evans came back to try and sneak me out but to no avail, not least as the only clothing he had to hand was a Liverpool tracksuit turned inside out. The fact that the victims' families had to wait 23 years for justice was abhorrent, proof that the British establishment viewed Liverpudlians in a cruelly pejorative fashion, best summed up in Boris Johnson's 2004 article which claimed Liverpool was a self-pity city, hooked on grief and welfare. Football, from that moment, would never be the same again. Its a joyless success, but the victory enabled the Bianconeri to fly to Tokyo in winter to play the Intercontinental Cup final. Go on to the Italian clubs official website in search of a tribute and you will struggle to find anything beyond 106 words within a 645-word article called Juventus wins everything, a tribute to their successes in the 1970s and 1980s. While we have finally been able to make progress with regards Hillsborough its sad that Heysel victims groups in Italy have had less success. As players, we werent directly involved in what happened, but we were still representing Liverpool Football Club. :(. No problem Tom. I too recall seeing that Reds Animals banner, and also seeing fans, apparently of both sides, hanging off the fencing at the front of the terraces, trying to pull it down. At my visit last year I met a Juve supporter at the ground. Well said mate, couldnt agree more. And while the rejection of the olive branch met with a little consternation on Merseyside, Liverpools supporters know all too well about the type of apology that comes too late, brought by events, to sound truly sincere. I could say Chelsea practically bought their champions League and Premier League successes. A really sensitive and wholesome piece of writing. As if they really give a shit about Heysel. Obviously not uncommon at footy games but considering the occasion shocking. NEW Home cycling shorts + shirts now on the shop. Brilliant unbiased view point. Well that went well Bob! really? A memorial and a greater openness about the disaster is needed. by The Anfield Wrap | May 29, 2013 | Featured Writing, Footie, Heysel, Hillsborough | 37 comments, NOW that the lies, the smears and cruel myths about the Hillsborough disaster have been exposed once and for all, those who clung to them out of warped tribalism have but one straw left to clutch. All Rights Reserved. If you have something to say about people look them in the eye and do it, or youre chicken shit. I think a lot of people like the fact that our starting 11 has 50-60% British players. Mi piacerebbe lUEFA tolga dalle statistiche la Juve Campione dEuropa 1985-. If you think that windows only ever get smashed at Anfield then you obviously dont get to many games Michael. He is the Scouse John Terry. Whereas the Hillsborough disaster is a source of righteous grievance, Heysel provokes only shame. A team that, even when they had I think if you ask Scousers, Not Liverpool fans, Scousers he is commonly known as Stevie Me, never heald in as high regard as Carra. Suppose they only show the match on TV, I SAW the coach.Still u ended up with ur usual FUCK ALLCheers Stevie!! Agree totally Bob, I did think the running a kid over thing was a bit unnecessary. Thought the article was more or less spot on to be honest. English football now boasts the best league in the world, a stunning spectacle played out in shiny new stadiums. One includes details of a permanent Heysel exhibit at the museum which opened last year at the new Juventus Stadium. On 29 May 1985, during the first European Cup Final match between Italy and England at the Belgian Heysel Stadium, an unforgettable disaster occurred. October 20, 2021. Even last week, whilst Manchester City respectful remembered those who lost their life at Hillsborough, them Scousers attacked a coach, bricking the windows. The fact is and still is, that the then Liverpool FC board blamed my club, along with West Ham and Millwall for the disaster at Heysel and to this day they have never issued an apology of any sort whatsoever. Still won fuck all Cheers Stevie G!!! Before the match, we were in the dressing room when we heard the wall collapse. To be honest my mate a Spurs fan directed me to this site, I wasnt aware of any ill feeling from Arsenal fans towards us. Find out more about our partners Access Sport College here, Crystal Palace 0 Liverpool 0: The Anfield Wrap. Although some have suggested National Front thugs may have been responsible for the stampede which killed 39 people at Heysel, the reality is that Liverpool fans, ordinary English footy lovers, were responsible. But you cant hate the beautiful game forever and in 96 I travelled again, to Rome this time, and saw Juve lift the trophy in joyous circumstances. On one infamous occasion at Goodison Park in 2008, the away fans responded by singing 2-0 to the Murderers. I am proud of the support Evertonians have offered across the Park and to the innocent families who have carried the awful burden and indescribable pain of Hillsborough. And lets look at expenditure over the last 5 years: Man City: 512m The club has decided that relatives of the victims will always be allowed permanent free access to the museum. Change), You are commenting using your Twitter account. Hai ragione a dire che quella tragica serata erano tutti da biasimare. 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