Hybels considers himself first among equals in the fraternity of evangelical pastors. My former abusive, cultish and abuser-friendly church was positively obsessed with unity. The pastor preached on it continually. He has denied. Not a wise thing to do. Sounds like wing ding anti Semitic tripe. Ambien or the Devil it is always Something/one Elses Fault. The Body does not put its faith in humans, even celebrity ones. However, I am not going to let every Tom, Dick and Joe Salitas to copy and paste the letter into this comment section. https://cryingoutforjustice.com/2018/03/01/for-professionals-who-work-in-domesic-abuse-dv/. NB If anything uncomfortable happens again I will be saying something clearly to him & asking him to mind his manners. A high five or handshake can do the same. The celebs were protected by their inner circle who went along with the exterior lie of image and performance, hiding ugly dark secrets. William Edward (Bill) LaBarre of Marietta passed away at his home at 1:52 AM Saturday, February 25, 2023 surrounded by his family. manner, outline your thinking and why you believe it to be true. @ Headless Unicorn Guy: That is where I had to start over. There is a reason that statute of limitations are being revised throughout the country. You tell your kids That was wrong. I cannot imagine the pressure that your sister is experiencing. This caliber of leaders dont just stay quiet. Both are the same in outcome). Put it in context and think about such a convo. They think theyve stopped it. My assessment is that the entire leadership there at Willow Creek needs to be held accountable and the base must face this issue with appropriate consequences. The issue with that is that its not like the secular world, in which after perps have done their time, they can make a living in their field of avocation (though in the case of fraud perpetrators and/or crimes with victims, future funds may be diverted to said victims). That is common respect for other people. AT BEST its the Tu Quoque logical fallacy. Sounds more like damage control. I had the same thought about his promotion of women. Leave the tabulations to the guy with the higher pay grade. Global Leadership huh Bill ? Assuming TWW readers have spent some time absorbing background and details about Bill Hybels and the evidence from the women who came forward with accusations, what do you see as possible points and patterns with that case study, compared with those of Joss Whedon and Lawrence Krauss? 1 kiss Shameful! And then maybe they see it happening, confront the guy, he says understood and suddenly you and your husband are out of a job. From all angles. Jesus takes care of the harvest. With the way some are acting, they mimic Hybels anger and vindictiveness rather than Christ. Please read what I, a former elder, wrote. Hey WCCC, set up an 800 number with an outside firm so anyone with information can call without fear of being shamed on stage or in the press. Including the Ortbergs. It is about following a Rabbi who was despised and mocked and sent to the Cross. I would add that based upon reactions of his followers here, it becomes more obvious why. 1. If you have to go along with the silliness (never with evil) make sure you are being paid. During that meeting, an Elder told a WCA Board member that Willow Creek had no document retention policy. This was the first time either Board had heard about this arrangement, but both of these women told us separately that Bill had told them about this special arrangement years prior. 4 unwanted extended hugs (thats including Nancy Ortbergs latest revelation). I did this research a while back, so if Im remembering right, a few things I read indicated that the evidence destroyed/withheld would automatically be assumed to be against the legal case of those who destroyed/withheld it, and the jury was instructed that they were required to view the situation that way. I get it bothers you. Little children they say do not like to be hugged by the old people so I dont do it. It is also understandable why John and Nancy Ortbergs relationship with the Hybels took a nosedive. Like they say, to each his own. During that meeting, an Elder told a WCA Board member that Willow Creek had no document retention policy. This was the first time either Board had heard about this arrangement, but both of these women told us separately that Bill had told them about this special arrangement years prior. I scream enough already. to this, the source of detailed information about the 1,000+ unreadable emails and Bill Hybels policy of not having email messages archived and his explanation of why comes from the initial Chicago Tribune article. Ive experienced it alsomultiple times. You are accountable). The Willow Creek board apparently presented a report saying there was no evidence to support the Bill Hybills allegations? I dont have to be a fan of Nancy Ortberg to take her testimony seriously. (ed deleted link). And those who go on to attack the victims are generally clueless as to what the bible actually teaches. . Megachurch pastors have big institutions to feed as well: huge entities that gobble millions a year, maybe hundreds of millions. Gossip! I have said that I do not appreciate victim denigration which is inherent in her supposed expos .Enough is enough. I guess Billy Graham never led anyone to Jesus then. This is why I have posted the 1 Tim 5 passage in two threads recently: Just read what the Bible says about leaders and ask, Is it even possible that God would set these high standards for elders/overseers/pastors and then only give us promiscuous, abusive, and manipulative leaders?. Joss Whedon Is a Hypocrite Preaching Feminist Ideals, according to his ex-wife Kai Cole in her guest post on *The Wrap*. Im not convinced that his view of hell can be called heresy. I asked my mom once why she endured physical abuse so long from my father, and she gave me similar answers. Terrible, terrible thing. The way it worked with all of these people is very similar to the way it worked with us. Just wondering??? I mentioned how I recently read of a church where the IT had a deal with pastor to delete specifically his e-mails I laugh and say fat chance I can get him to do that for me! @ Davis and Natasha: I know I already plugged Barbs reviews of Don Hennesseys work, but Ill say again he also describes this process really well (in the context of domestic abuse.). I dont know if you have any experience with megachurch staffs or not. Think about it. Your comments prove your ignorance and arrogance. If he is sincere about his reasons for retiring early, make a very public statement for people to knock it off and let him go away quietly. Because you put so much trust and admire a leader like Hybels, your first instinct is to dismiss anything off about them. Not my thing. It is hard enough fighting rampant sex abuse in churches. Lets pretend we know what we are doing., When someone shows you who they are believe them; the first time. Maya Angelou. @ Forrest: Frankly, I think people went to great lengths to protect Hybels including the women he groomed and hit on. He has two children with his wife, Lynn whom he married in 1974. I hope your eyes are one day opened. No one. The Devil is destroying yet another church. Ive been to Ephesus and it is just a tourist destination. That was Pauls charge to Timothy. its definitely legit and very well written. By the time you get there, youve probably already been compromised yourself, youve supported a lot of evil things, youve shouted down others who were only trying to get at the truth (as I once did, alassorry, Adam, you were right and I was wrong, pastor really was up to no good), and its not easy to extricate yourself or your family. (Currently deemed questionable at best.). In hindsight, it is exactly as others have stated predatory, calculated and manipulative all with a facade of kindness and mentoring. @ Bridget: I believed, everyone believed, that he was one of the good guys, committed to fighting for womens rights, committed to our marriage, and to the women he worked with. Willow Creek does not need Bill Hybels. I did, and he asked me to come up for a leadership talk, and told me to come alone. To me its a faux and phony culture that cant get over itself. Forgiveness after repentance is one thing (and a rare thing if someone never actually admits to anything beyond a mistakes in judgment were made public spin). Scapegoats? Love That Lasts book. I grew up around some. The Kingdom of God is not massive corporate structures and clever corporate game plans. That has got to be trans-species perversion right there. I was prescribed ambien, and I was one of those affected in that way behaving strangely and not remembering it the next day. Churches are in the state they are in because they refuse to seek truth and call the words of victims gossip. @ Law Prof: Remember Bill hybels stepped down. @ dee: Its been drilled into our heads and many are convinced if the perp or deceiver is confronted (even years later) they will repent. If he was having problems with women when taking Ambien, why didnt he stop taking it and get help? It does not promise moonlight, roses and a string quartet. Because TWW doesnt have a tick the box to be notified of future comments, and because my comments seem to go live straight away, I have often felt unconfident that the TWW team or people I have replied to in a comments thread at TWW have noticed my comments. In Christian theology, the Devil prefers deception and manipulation and the Long Con, NOT the Direct Frontal Attack you hear these days from Spiritual and Cultural Warriors. RE got to talking about guys grabbing a boobie feel with side hugs; she thinks it is pretty ubiquitous in the male population. Often, they blame themselves. There is a legal concept called spoliation of evidence, which refers to the destruction or withholding of evidence whether done intentionally or accidentally. He lied when he told the Monday night Family Meeting that the unhappy marriage comment in the Tribune was just the result of a check-in.. So call the best pastor you can, but the best pastor is the most Christ-like, not the most TV-ready. But, the cat is out the bag. At least you know what they are upfront . I was so sorry to learn about all of this yesterday and Willow Creek Church. Excellent post. Without gossip and people looking out, anyone who has been hurt by church/leadership will simply be driven out, and the whole thing covered up. Thats how this tends to work. That said, this is all so tragic. For you cross land and sea to make a single convert, only to turn him into twice the Child of Hell as yourselves! IF NOTHINGS DOCUMENTED, IT NEVER HAPPENED AND YOU CANT PROVE A THING!!!!!. Sitting there talking is not the problem. I understand why comments are moderated Im not criticizing. We werent leaders, but we can tell you re: Stowell and many others that they leave and say nothing or little to protect their own reputations and future work in ministry. It is the Spirits job to convict and change. I cant help but see your point here. This was a joke which proved how few people at WCC understand sexual harassment. There are evil people who look like good people. @ Barbara Roberts: I know in some places and countries, its cultural, but in general, hugging between men and women in the U.S.in workplace situations esp.is not considered appropriate or professional. 3) Their situation is, as Jack Nicholsons character says in the movie of the same name, As good as it gets.. Maybe Im misinterpreting. He pulled me aside and asked me if anything had happened. I worked as a psychotherapist with both perpetrators and victims of sexual boundary violations for 20 years. I dont have any memory of doing and saying those things to her that night!. 2022 Special Gift: As a token of God's faithfulness in his life, his family and ministry, all these . Does it lend itself to the overall problem? Many years back Hybels started up the World Leadership Conferences which in reality means World Domination Conferences. I would not attend a church where I knew the pastor behaved like that. @ dee: Brad I am the Bride of Christ, the Church, as are Dee and Deb and many others who post here. This has not only damaged women but also affected men, like my husband, who looked up to Bill Hybels as a positive role model. ) bugs me. Peter Led about 3000 to Christ on the day of Pentacost. Again, I thought not much more of that conversation until years later when other stories emerged that included Ambien. Dee and Brad, have you read my series about Don Hennessys work? She bears serious emotional scars to this day, several decades later. He missed an important element in his effort at damage control: Preach it straight from the beginning. I find it a it off putting that anyone would keep a list of *how many have you led to Christ. Dee, is Julie a new commenter here? But, I seriously doubt your using scripture as a club will shame, convince or condemn many here. The Elders reviewed none for content. Thats the thing; note the commonality of the golden parachute disembarking in these cases. He is married to Lynne Hybels since 1974. Ive been thinking along similar lines for a few days, and its relevance to the question, How could this happen in whats been consider a pioneering egalitarian church?. @ Bridget: PS @ Lydia. Leaders who are ambassadors for Christ can cause crises of faith when they break the 3rd Commandment Thou shall not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain. Ask yourself If we are to judge on actions that are listed as sin or are considered crimes, then what does this really mean. Exactly. They have changed so many lives for the good. WITCHES! RE got to talking about guys grabbing a boobie feel with side hugs; she thinks it is pretty ubiquitous in the male population. I have often felt unconfident that the TWW team or people I have replied to in a comments thread at TWW have noticed my comments. People have been had. Its not the victim. We are talking about someone very well paid to teach Jesus and model that teaching. The invitation to the first Family Meeting stated in the first paragraph that this group wanted to damage the church and the senior pastor! When we overlook this, we open doors for people like pedophiles and other predators to enter the church and carry out their dark deeds. Give me the bellicose jerks any time. And, are most people blowing this thing up bigger than it is. Nancy, like Vonda, believed her experience with Bill was an isolated incident. Good Lord! Did her husband ask her not to say anything for FEAR of losing his job? She was still hoping that he had changed. Just Disgraceful. But then, Im just The Crazy Kid, and hes always been the Sweet Little Angel. in one of those situations. I know this because I have experienced it myself. Note: Nancy Ortberg served as a teaching pastor for eight years at Willow Creek Community Church. Christian vs. Jew Unfortunately, some of us are coming to the conclusion that this is what much of The Church really is: a thought reform institution. Barb, I must say, you have this amazing gift of being able to cut through a persons (premeditated) bullpoo. I pity you if thats the case. In this day and age, no one wants to get their name caught in the tangled web. Good night! Sounds like he at the time did some things that outside of context would be perceived as unwise with co-workers. So, it is imperative to preserve discoverables especially as the destruction or withholding of them may mean the court can interpret that act as consciousness of guilt and therefore assume that the evidence went against the case of spoliators. 8 comments. if one has enough of those there seems to be a scale to weigh behaviors against. @WillowCreekCC. Worshipers of men. I say we are. Jesus is our model of leadership. And why on earth is this even a discussion? @ Davis and Natasha: Women get to decide if they want to be touched or not, and oh he did not mean anything by should never even have to be brought into play-in the workplace. This is ALL so disappointing and disheartening. As I said, I dont hug people at work. Here are some points of summary that I wrote about why this matters: From some of the background reading on this issue, it is clear that digital documents, audio, and video can constitute relevant evidence in any of these legal actions. Prestige of Willow Creek? Have you any clue how prideful this sounds? I would be ROFL if it didnt mean that there are some folks who have been deceived. Or perhaps some women get hugged one way or the other disproportionately for one reason or the other and therefore complain or not about hugging-ness. Lynne Hybels and Bill Hybels have two grown children, Shauna Niequist and Todd Hybels, and one son-in-law, Aaron Niequist.. Is it possible that Bill Hybels encouraged the leadership of women in order to increase his own access to women who admired him within the confines of church business, giving him plausible deniability? To TWW regulars: I am becoming concerned that there will be a full court press by some people. In light of the testimonies of additional women who suffered his unwanted attentions, the only remaining question is how many women were victimized and how long has this been going on. Is it that tough for you to give Bill Hybels any redeeming value? Because my -and others- comments are moderated, there can be a lot of instantly-posted discussion between a (approval-needed) comment and when it appears. I hug relatives and near relatives depending on the situation-like somebody is dead. Nothing substitutes for diligent study and wide reading. He spent a week capturing one of the biggest aurora borealis shows in recent years. I have long been leery of Hybels (and other mega church pastors) because these guys are basically Christian rock stars and are treated accordingly. Sounds like at least some of the accusers would like to see justice for sure, but also redemption for even Hybels. I have plenty of people whod vouch that Im often a royal pain in the keester, that I shoot from the hip, that I get downright angry, often in an ungodly way, when dealing with bullies, especially religious bullies, youd probably find some whod call me a contentious man, but I dont think youd find one of them whod call me a liar, a sleazy operator, a shifty lawyer type. Think of the reaction if this had gone to the media and by passed the elders. Status? @ truthseeker00: This video was shot in and aroundKirkenesand Pas National Park bordering Russia, at 70 degree north and 30 degrees east. A very misunderstood view of redemption; repentance and forgiveness is taught out there especially in seeker Megas. 4 unwanted extended hugs (thats including Nancy Ortbergs latest revelation). He could claim that she was making up her story. I think I hugged my coworker of ten years when he retired, Paul actually recommends we greet one another with a holy kiss.. This includes a majority Christian circle. Christianity is so intertwined with our society as the religion that the majority, if they dont believe, at least pay lip service to. Theres been so much of this lately that I think (hope!) Ok. Its never about us, but always focused on Jesus the Perfecter of our faith. These things are often expected immediately in the Christian world. You can do a lot more damage with one Suggestion in the right place than a dozen Fireballs. That length is reserved for the husband/wife relationship, comforting someone, or greeting someone close whom you havent seen in a long time. God is not in the business of secretly brainwashing and subtly mind controlling people. No one wants to think their pastor is being inappropriate, so your brain just dismisses it. But it should not be celebrated, as Williams and Dummitt directly stated and indirectly did with continuous praises and accolades. Some will walk away all together from their faith journey. Hence, it is easier to build a close-knit cult of people who really dont know each other that well. Nor will Christians abandon their faith en masse over this. The question is this: if Jesus came to visit your church, would he jump for joy and say, Yes! You get a time out. You watch a kid in a souped up car on the highway darting in and out at excessive speeds and say I hope he gets picked up.. (My family attended when I was in elementary and middle school.) memory loss, mental/mood/behavior changes (such as new or worsening depression, abnormal thoughts, thoughts of suicide, hallucinations, confusion, agitation, aggressive behavior, or anxiety).. Does this have any bearing on whether or not Bill Hybels was a sociopath, an abuser, a phony, a hypocrite, a philanderer? Dee, @ Davis and Natasha: And Pastor/Apostles Passive-Aggressive Attack Dogs (Tsk. At times I have even wondered if it is not even being used to distract from addressing the root of the problem. In the last few months as this media storm has rained down confusion and . That is hard to deal with. I have other views about resigning rock star pastors but wont go into it now. I really question what your true intentions are. I think there can be a benefit when many people have a genuine need for human touch. Wow. _____________________________________. So just what is romance? Are you aware, Mr. Brucker, that you are essentially playing with a full house or a straight flush in the rationalization department? Medical records are handled in this fashion. No one. @ truthseeker00: Whether anyone associated with any of his accusers is a jerk or not, I fail to see the pointunless, of course, the point is to smear whoever accuses him so that people will think twice before bringing forth any more stories. The faith grew. I dont think the view of hell is really the issue for the church leaders highlighted here. Where is the scribe? And every word in it, every allegation, is completely irrelevant to the issues that forced Bill Hybels into an early retirement. As a p.s. Was it addressed and ignored by the elders? @ okrapod: Wow. Is it even possible that one leads to the other, as the power dynamic created by abuse is addictive? Hybels, of Barrington, is married to Willow Creek senior pastor and founder Bill Hybels.Lynne Hybels . The Buckner Show has been cancelled; we now return this time slot to the regularly-scheduled Wartburg Watch.. Maybe they even went to the Wailing Wall and performed that satanic ritual and maybe were forever changed and lost. There are evil people who look like good people. We are most certainly called to make judgements on actions. And I never understood why Hybels did not step down when his wife (Lynne) had a HUGE crisis of faith. As has been pointed out above, many ways to digest the Bible; however a almost universal understanding is to be Christlike. Because your mind tells you this particular man YOU KNOW would never so you must be misjudging. Very sad. .just a minor point of information. I dont see this issue is white or black hats. But if you read Jodies clever rant, take ortberg name out of the picture and just think about what the culture was like there. Know who you are. Kudos to these two publishers. Glory to God. She no longer attended church (for at least a year) and she no longer trusted Jesus. Get this straight. Is it that tough for you to give Bill Hybels any redeeming value? Of course not. I am disappointed at the congregation who gave the standing ovations but they havent been told all the facts. Jesus was a grand act to follow, and the disciples did it right. So, Am I over thinking it?, one wonders. Heinous, but nice. Please take a look at the situation in 1 Coninthians 5. John Ortberg served (1994-2003) as teaching pastor at Chicagos Willow Creek Community Church. Really? Ill assume you mean well and are somewhere back in that stage where youre still denying. The comments from some in the WCC Trebuchet Club has brought this home to me. Just went through the same unity emphasis, as if pointing out items needing accountability, oversight and review constituted disunity or unwarranted lack of confidence in church leadership. One was at the Heidelblog about Tom Chantry and one at the Wee Flea about Iain Campbell, and both bloggers were commanding readers not to gossip, slander, or even form an opinion because we dont know anything, and maybe we dont even WANT to know anything. The statement was wrong in every way and since there is a great possibility that the group is very concerned and just seeking truth. I recognized something was wrong with that, but for various reasons, didnt quite make the connection. Did her husband ask her not to say anything for FEAR of losing his job? But I dont think the view of hell is really the issue for the church leaders highlighted here. We were in both places for years and said little or nothing. Women get to decide if they want to be touched or not, and oh he did not mean anything by should never even have to be brought into play-in the workplace. Founding and Senior Pastor Bill Hybels preaches during a service at Willow Creek Community Church on Jan. 13, 2018, in South Barrington . High five, yes, hug no. Wild!!! However, for people like those profiled on this site who have fallen short in protecting those under their charge (say, by covering ups their own misdeeds and/or crimes or those of others) to reemerge in a place where they again wish to wield spiritual authority (by starting another ministry (sic) in which they assume spiritual leadership or selling books advising sheep on spiritual matters seeking funding from said sheep in each case) is massively troubling. 30 seconds, if it was really that long, is a very long time for a hug. Then read the story of Phillip and the Ethiopian Eunuch. If at the end of this tragedy, Willow Creek gets that they will flow like a river rather than a creek. What they are doing is exactly what someone who has been there would expect them to do. It may not be what everyone wants, even if it is innocent. Or God is discipling yet another church. We are all sinners and we all fail. 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