Sounds like you're grasping at straws. Many served in the French army in World War I and some of them could have returned years later with colorful embellishments for their native legends. This of course would destroy the modern influence explanation totally. Temple has either misinterpreted Dogon beliefs, or distorted It seems likely that we will never know for sure. However, doubts have been raised about the reliability of Griaule and Dieterlen's work on which The Sirius Mystery is based,[4][5] and alternative explanations have been proposed. WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. [6] The claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. amphibious aliens or telescopic vision due to melanin. WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . With this, the Dogon mystery comes crashing down. Furthermore, most Dogon symbology already has multiple levels of meaning; the sketches used to illustrate the Sirius secrets are also used in puberty ceremonies. But Sagan then finds both astronomical and mythological holes in the hypothesis. A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. Zeta Reticuli 2 (with about the same temperature and mass as the Sun) is another candidate. Clearly the Dogons (in common with many other cultures) were fascinated by Sirius, probably because its position in the sky was crucial to successful agriculture (it's the only star they have a name for.) WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. Giants appear in cultures around the world: Biblical tales of giants more than ten feet tall; Roman and Greek stories of titans and heroes; European stories of giants of mountain and hill. Therefore, if Sirius C exists, it must orbit Sirius A. Ideas originally published in 1948, reprint (Oxford University Press 1997). WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . Bullard, Thomas. The Dogon also hold a big sigui ceremony every 60 years, which some interpret as representing the period of time it takes Sirius B to go around Sirius A. Such words would have more persuasion behind them (to me they're merely an emotional appeal to sympathy) if Temple had ever admitted anywhere in print that he had found (or had been shown) any errors in his book or articles or public statements -- but if he has done so, I haven't become aware of them. The Pleiades are sometimes mentioned, but this is not possible. The second idea, championed by Afrocentrist historians, is that the Dogons either found out about Sirius B on their own or learned about it from the Egyptians. The Dogon Revisited double star (Ortiz de Montellano).*. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. No such nebula is seen. Inevitably one must ask, if the Dogons had heard good stories about Sirius from other sources, would they ignore them or would they quickly adopt them into their own cultural myths? As Picknett and Prince have been able to show, Temples arguments are often based on erroneous readings of encyclopdia entries and misrepresentations of ancient Egyptian mythology. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. Temple considers alternative possibilities other than alien contact, such as a very ancient, advanced, and lost civilization that was behind the sudden appearance of advanced civilization in both Egypt and Sumer. civilization. Since Oberg cannot do so, we need not concern ourselves with criticisms of The Sirius Mystery." As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. I disagree. He has written of Temples belief that present-day authorities are unwilling to set aside the blinkers of orthodoxy, unable to admit the validity of anything that lies outside their field or that offers a challenge to the status quo. So much for the Nommos. seem to have done little else than give the earthlings some useless It has a mass of 2.35 times the mass of the Sun. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. To quote Ancient Mysteries: While Temple, following Griaule, assumes that to polo is the invisible star Sirius B, the Dogon themselves, as reported by Griaule, say something quite different. To quote the Dogon: When Digitaria (to polo) is close to Sirius, the latter becomes brighter; when it is at its most distant from Sirius, Digitaria gives off a twinkling effect, suggesting several stars to the observer. This description of a very visible effect causes James and Thorpe to wonder as anyone reading this should do whether to polo is therefore an ordinary star near Sirius, not an invisible companion, as Griaule and Temple suggest. Though Temples work was challenged, at its core lay the original anthropological study of the Dogon by Griaule and Dieterlen, who describe the secret knowledge of Sirius B and Sirius C in their own book The Pale Fox. WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . 68-70. Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? "Legends of the Dogon: belief in a long-solved For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. In their original findings, Griaule and Deiterlen make no comment about the Dogon knowledge of Sirius B. In a recent book, The Once and Future Star (Hawthorn Books, 1977), George Michanowsky identifies "Oannes" as a Hellenized version of the Sumerian name Ea; he A Search for Faint Companions to Nearby Stars Using the Wide Field Planetary Camera 2,. They all have one thing in common: enormous monsters. Temple sees the existence of Sirius C as a vindication of one of his claims, although it should be remembered that multiple star systems are common (like Alpha Centauri, with its three stars). He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. ancient Egypt.*. The tribe has a periodic Sirius festival called the "Segui" ceremony; each celebration lasts several years (the last was in 1968-72.) The stars in this group are too young only a few tens of millions of years for planets with life and civilization to have developed. Since Sirius B is a very dense white dwarf star about the size of Earth, it can only be seen in dark skies with medium-sized telescopes. Also, why would the Dogan people not divulge where they received such recent knowledge of transfer if they had of gotten this knowledge from Europeans. Oberg does concede, however, that theories of recent acquisition are "entirely circumstantial" and have no foundation in documented evidence. The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. Such criteria suggest that these periodic festivals have been going on for at least 600 years and possibly much longer. The Skeptics Society is a non-profit, Sagan, Carl 1980. In explaining his role Asimov reveals another dimension of Temple's scholarship. He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. Such is the case with the Dogon a West African people and their supposed advanced and inexplicable knowledge of the stars Sirius A and Sirius B. Sirius A is the brightest star in our sky. ", Investigating 6, "White terrestrial rather than extraterrestrial. Below: The Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy (discovered in 2003) is the nearest known galaxy to the centre of the Milky Way. Either way, the original purity of the Dogon-Sirius story is itself a myth as it is highly likely that Griaule contaminated their knowledge with his own. scientific equipment, so how could they get this knowledge? He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. They have a traditional belief in a heliocentric system and Temple claims his expert cartographer found these distances "nearly equal." Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. The Stone Age storytellers speak by their campfires of other people on other planets and of other mysteries. WebRe: Dogon Sirius claim debunked - Graham Hancock Official Website Mysteries Taken from [ library.thinkquest.org] According to the Dogon priests, Sirius is orbited by a tiny secret star that they refer to as 'po', which traces an elliptical path around Sirius taking 50 years to (And presumably, that the Egyptians then located their river deltas, eases, and river ports deliberately on geometric rather than purely geographical grounds, I'm tempted to ask?) The diagram that Temple presents, however, is not the It is also the home of the brightest star in the night sky, Sirius A. (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. (Copyright: R. Ibata (Strasbourg Observatory, ULP) et al., 2MASS, NASA). No other anthropologist supports their opinions. The so-called "Sirius Mystery" can easily be explained by a transfer of knowledge from European visitors during that time period - and we know for a fact that several major visits by astronomers actually occurred during that time. (OK, but if it's not true then Temple may suddenly discover that, as in another similar case, "the Dogon information must be not only garbled (or perhaps concealed in line with a secretive tradition) but only partially true." This is a complicated issue, because several special interest groups each claim the Dogon for their own. He points out that the Dogon myths also describe a third star (astronomers would call it "Sirius C"), as yet undiscovered. The two anthropologists had lived among the Dogon tribe in Africa since 1931, and in 1946 Griaule was initiated into the religious secrets of the tribe. He also gives public talks on astronomy and related fringe topics to international audiences. One problem with this idea is that Sirius B has been a white dwarf for at least tens of thousands of years. Of those websites, over 400 had been updated within the last three months. To be specific they sound like the kinds of astronomical conclusions one might draw from studying the heavens through a small portable telescope. Qr*OJhiglNKc}{9GdA Mlt^+nR-Sp-f.y-`Pg##uAQDu&W&HM~IK{%uAM'bRV A\Z.4gAHU*j,H( rPaf@)2j A must for every bookshelf.ORDER the book, It seems clear that the Dogon did indeed get their information from other cultures. That's one major characteristic of classical pseudo-science, its ability to incorporate any result and its ability to be immune from disproof from any result. This step was taken by others, particularly Temple, in the Sixties and Seventies. from black Egyptians who had telescopes. Worse still, hundreds of thousands of years ago, Sirius B was a dying red giant. Through the carbon dating of old ritual masks researchers have established the antiquity of the Segui ceremonies. And from what star system does the visitor come? Griaule either Figure 2. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. The Dogon beliefs about Jupiter and Saturn sound familiar too. Nothing fuels religious extremism more than the belief that one has found the absolute moral truth. But here's the rub: there is no archaeological evidence that the specific references to the twin hidden companions of Sirius are anywhere near that old. A review of the astronomical, cultural, and anthropological sides of this issue might be timely. Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. Y%gbsPFur[%X7Sz The good news is that two of the first five entries were from skeptical websites (CSICOP and Bob Carrolls Skeptics Dictionary). stars to the sun, the Alpha Centauri system. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. sigui, held by the Dogon every sixty years. As James and Thorpe point out, he took star maps along with him on his field trips as a way of prompting his informants to divulge their knowledge of the stars. no conclusions of any kind." Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. But other observers have also written skeptically about the "Sirius Mystery. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? Ridpath asserts. "wished to affirm the complexity of African religions and questioned for some unknown reason from a planet orbiting ", British astronomy popularizer fan Ridpath, writing in the quarterly Skeptical Inquirer (Fall 1978), blasted Temple's "brain-numbing excursions into Egyptology." seem curious. Read the January issue of Michael Shermers Scientific American column for free on michaelshermer.com: Kool-Aid Psychology: How optimism trumped realism in the positive-psychology movement. September 1976 saw Feature Articles Dogon shame Did ancient gods from the Sirius star system visit an African tribe 5,000 years ago? It was very unlikely that the Dogon had learned of this stars existence from Westerners prior to the visit by Griaule and Dieterlen. (Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books,1982), pp. with the bright star Sirius (sigu tolo, "star of Sigui"), called The line that Temple labeled Orbit of Sirius B is actually a figure the Dogon think of as a cosmic egg. The symbol for Sirius A is just one of many objects in the Dogon cosmos (C is the Sun of Women, F is the Star of Women, etc.). One example: "If a Sirius-C is ever discovered and found to be a red dwarf, I will conclude that the Dogon information has been fully validated." It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. If I were alone in picking on Temple's thesis, he might be able to argue a case for ad hominem persecution. In the 1930s, when their research was carried out, Sirius B was known to have existed, even though it was only photographed in 1970. G. Stein (Amherst, N.Y.: Prometheus Books, 1996), pp. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. Another claim: that in Egypt the oasis of Siwa and the ancient Nile City of Thebes are both equidistant from the shrine city of Behdet, in the delta -- and the same exact distance, too. One unproven aspect of the reported Dogon knowledge of the Sirius system is the assertion that the Dogon knew of another star in the Sirius system, Emme Ya, or "larger than Sirius B but lighter and dim in magnitude." But the extraterrestrial hypothesis will not fade away so easily. But my own measurements, which characteristics. contact with some ugly, amphibious* James, P., N. Thorpe, and I. J. Thorpe. Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. The Dogon. York: Random House, 1995). Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? Dwarfs and Little Green Men". One of Temple's main Why would Europeans feel compelled that they needed to discuss astronomy with such a primitive tribe and why would this transfer of knowledge that only lasted 5 weeks have such an impact on the Dogan people that they would include it in their cultural practices? It seems that Temples ideas are still popular among practitioners of pseudoarcheology, as well as with the general public. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. By comparison, our own Sun was that old 3.4 billion years ago. A substantial bulk of The Sirius Mystery consists of comparative linguistic and mythological scholarship, pointing out resemblances among Dogon, Yoruba, Egyptian and Sumerian beliefs and symbols. Encyclopedia Galactica,, Benest, D. and J. L. Duvent. Precise maps at the NASA space photo interpretation lab in Houston list "Behdet" as an ancient name for modern Damanhur, located today at 31.03 degN, 30.28 degE, i.e., more than a hundred kilometers away from where Temple locates his "Behdet" at 31.50 degN, 31.23 degE. Sirius B was known to exist then. The Dogons hold that Jupiter has four moons when in fact it has at least 12, plus a ring, as any true extraterrestrial would have known. WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. ), There were Giants in the earthin those days Genesis 6:1. [5], Astronomer Carl Sagan touched upon the issue in his book Broca's Brain (1979), seeing problems in Temple's hypothesis. The diagram is only convincing as a representation of Sirius B orbiting Sirius A when most of the original symbols are eliminated. of their culture, came from Sirius -- which is at the crux of Temple's reconstruction? The Dogon legend connected with Sirius, wrote Ridpath, "is riddled with ambiguities, contradictions, and downright errors, at least if we try to interpret it literally." The mystery of the ancient "red" Sirius also remains baffling. Could Sirius B have been a red giant a few thousand years ago? Temple has made very few verifiable assertions about mythology (and The Sirius Mystery is overwhelmingly about ancient myths, not about the Dogons or modern astronomy). The Dogon and Sirius. Hmm, The Cardiff Giant, one of the most celebrated hoaxes in American history, on display at the Farmers Museum in Cooperstown, NY. The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. Temple, however, has stated in the reprint of The Sirius Mystery (1999) that he in no way supports what he refers to as "sinister cults" that have been inspired by his book. In 1966, Temple then aged 21 became Secretary of Youngs Foundation for the Study of Consciousness. According to Thomas Bullard, van Beek speculates that Griaule 1999. WebThe star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. But even after hundreds of pages of myths and interpretations Temple fails to make a connection between ancient Egypt and the modern Dogons; instead he "assumes" it. Some astronomers speculate that the white dwarf Sirius B might have been a flaming red giant only 2000 years ago although current astrophysical theories decree that any such transformation in less than 100,000 years is impossible. (I must confess I've felt that way about some other people, tool). traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. The third explanation is that they learned the information from Europeans or in European schools. good amount of discussion of Sirius in the scientific press in the '20s so The Sirius mystery, though, remains of great interest to many researchers today. WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. Dogon to explain their beliefs. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. Also gives public talks on astronomy and related fringe topics to international audiences on other planets and of people. The visitor come, that theories of recent acquisition are `` entirely circumstantial '' and have no in. 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