They can overlook long ago drug use. 21 comments share save hide report 72% Upvoted This thread is archived "Why would we ever give him a security clearance and the secrets to America? Were you there doing drugs with him (and if so, seems crazy that he would list you as a reference), or is this just stuff you heard about? This has been the norm for a couple decades. Misconstrued information on the form grounds for separation from the military. 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New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. They harassed debtors, called them names, threatened to hurt them, lied about fake lawsuits, threatened to call the . The deciding agency or organization who discovered the violation, after affording the individual due process, has a few options available. If youre currently employed, checking on your clearance is easy simply request your Facility Security Officer inquire about the status of your clearance. I do believe he was administratively separated. Admin separation most likely. Also a practical matter. I have obtained my top secret clearance. Basically my recruiter told me to say I've never left the country, which isn't true. For more information, please see our Thats it. They will ask you for a reason because it's best to give one in their report when they explain they weren't able to interview you, but they will not and cannot force you to participate. Sometimes these events, while negative, happened years earlier and the If he doesn't understand and support your decision, he's not your friend. Your best and safest option at this point is to say nothing. It is required for individuals who are hired for US government jobs or any organization that handles information pertaining to national security. Consult an attorney regarding your specific situation. Just decline to give the interview. To be completely honest, I would start browsing around for other MOSs that dont require clearance (if there even are any). Appreciate it. Hey there! Your PSI is current if it is not more than six years old for a Top Secret clearance or not more than 10 years for a Secret clearance. Hey all, College senior going into first year of work and am receiving forms to begin with my security clearance process. Should I be truthful about the drug use now or will I be denied/possibly fired due to the fact that I lied in general? good and bad, is closely evaluated and used to reach a final determination. People also theoretically mature with time. Im not sure on that. In addition to being truthful, here are four rules to keep in mind if you need to take a polygraph for a government position. Lying on the SF-86 Results in Jail Time. If you are applying for security clearance and would like assistance with the process, please contact our office to schedule an appointment. If you get asked about drug use and you didn't actually see him taking drugs, you can honestly say that you don't have first hand knowledge of that. Any lie, error, or omission in your security clearance application (SCA) can-and will-be used as grounds to deny you a clearance. information that led to disqualification? you have a tougher, more steep hill to climb here besides prior drug use. This is why it is always a good idea to consult . Hello! Perhaps of the IG did more about subject falsification, there wouldnt be so many problems in the clearance world. It looks like you may have concerns about illegal drug use/abuse. 5? I'm late to the party but I actually conduct these field investigations for clearances and have some useful insight here. The extra questions at the end of the interview asks basically if you have ever provided fraudulent information on an official form or if you have mislead an official/investigator. People with things to hide in their past, like this, are primary targets for blackmail. Falsifying information on the SF-86 is a felony that can result in fines or five years in prison. You definitely have a fraudulent enlistment issue. The age-old adage told to you by your parents "honesty is always the best policy" rings true when filling out Standard Form 86 (SF86), which starts the process of obtaining a security clearance. Believe me that I wish I could go back in time and strangle choke myself to tell the truth. They can NOT overlook lying about it. Reply. A little background that I could definitely get some advice about: I am looking to get a Secret or Public Trust now, and I honestly am very remorseful for lying on the forms in August as my drug use ended in early 2018. A U.S. Marine Veteran (Ret.) In this investigation, maturity led him to admit to smoking MJ in High School. with an active Top Secret Security Clearance. security concern, ultimately disqualifying an individual who may have been qualified if Learn from this mistake and keep your nose clean . Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. He was discharged. The purpose of the security clearance is to make sure that he can be trusted with state secrets. Basically, the DOD wants to establish that you are honest and trustworthy based on previous behavior. So I can just refuse to participate? OP, I've had friends who have put me down as a reference for security clearances at least a half dozen times. You also may be kicked out of the military completely due to fraudulent enlistment. As noted, nobody can tell you, "everything will work out . But the previous SF86 I did in 2014 was a 7 yrs question. Fill out the forms and answer the questions. The Background check from MEPS will do a cursory check on your past history that involves what run ins with the law you may have had. Answer (1 of 4): You mean committed multiple military law felonies, by omitting that information? Whether you tell the investigator that you do not wish to participate, or whether you tell the investigator a different (truthful) story about your friend, the result will likely be the same; they will be denied a security clearance. Press J to jump to the feed. The caveat for that individual is that now they will have additional adverse information to disclose on any future security clearance application, which may impact them being offered employment. director under President Barack Obama, on Wednesday in a striking act of . I got interview recently as a reference. Thank you in advance and thanks to all the people posting info on this sub if it werent for this i would have no idea what i was getting into! Its not that clear or that simple. is worthy of a security clearance, and not considered a security Program Manager, I've been part of USG donor-supported efforts working with CSOs; independent media organizations & journalists; to improve their capacity through training and programs focused on countering information operations; improving operational security; and creating crisis communications frameworks. Joe Jabara / Feb 19, 2020. Were I in your position Id reach out and fess up. number of variables are carefully weighed in what is commonly known as You lied. When investigators are conducting a subject interview they are confirming your answers on the current application and getting details on any discrepancies that might have been discovered. I was extremely excited and being the dumb college student with minimal professional experience, I lied about drug use in the last 7 years when i filled out the pre employment security questionnaire. Your friend has asked you to commit a criminal offense. For more information, please see our Its amazing some of the stuff I turn up and all the subject will tell me is that they failed to disclose it because they didnt think it was a big deal. The terrible attack and advice you and your cronies are giving to a young man who honorably served his country and made a mistake was shocking and unacceptable. I lied on my security clearance form, and it's eating me up. The drug use question is for 7yrs. I have a scheduled interview with my TS interviewer next week. or If I leave out the fact that I filed bankruptcy over 10 years They know that the people he's told them about are likely to give good references, but they want to know everything. When they come around asking questions about your Friend, they're also going to ask you about other people that know him - "You mentioned he knows Tim? Lying about reportable issues is a no-no, lawyer or not, and is harder to mitigate than most original issues. Do you know how to get in touch with Tim?" Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. 1.3K BackgroundCheckTA 5 yr. ago and our What, if anything, you decide to do about . Email lindy.kyzer@clearancejobs.com. I doubt they would prosecute -- though what you did is illegal. They may wonder, Ask questions about security clearance process, how to fill out SF86 forms, adjudicative guidelines, security clearance investigations and more. representative, they can be I joined the Reserves back in 2013 where I annotated I did not do drugs on my Secret SF86. 10? Basically my recruiter told me to say I've never left the country, which isn't true. You lied again. In the 1980s and 1990s, debt collectors engaged in some shady tactics. Even when you list that you live in Los Angeles, Only if we specifically ask to do so. ClearanceJobs Blog 2023 ClearanceJobs - All Rights Reserved. To help us make this determination, we ask that you complete all items on the back of this form and return the form in the enclosed envelope. Ive seen a handful discharged for that. I can pretty much guarantee that they're going to speak with people he did not directly refer them to. A computer sends everything out initially, for all case types. This was a lie as I had smoked weed a couple times from 2010 - 2013 and tried cocaine once in 2011. That is the risk-minimising course of action and the one I would recommend were I OPs lawyer (which I certainly am not). When filling out the Questionnaire for National Security Positions (SF-86) there is a section right after the instructions you have to acknowledge as having read. What recourse do applicants have if they have proof that a previous contact or boss or coworker lied on the INV form 41? Don't rely on the recruiter for anything ever again. The U.S. government provides this clearance only to federal employees and contractors whose job duties require secure access. And then they're going to find Tim and ask him about Friend. Had you disclosed that, you probably would have been fine. Under no circumstances should you lie, and your friend is a total asshole for asking you to. security clearance, the individual must go through what is called the adjudicative If youre not currently employed, the process of ascertaining your security clearance status becomes a bit trickier. The party that receives this form is provided by the subject (or security clearance applicant) to assist in completing the background investigation. Have a conference, tip, or story idea to share? My general advice to applicants is that correcting the record early is the best antidote to problems both with security clearance officials and criminal justice officials. A Department of Defense military security clearance investigation examines your character, conduct, criminal background, financial responsibility, and emotional stability. For all of the Edward Snowdens and Aaron Alexises of the world, youd think that more subjects would be prosecuted for violating Title 18 Sec. But what if someone has security clearance, can a debt collector call the debtor's employer and have their security clearance revoked? Categories Blog Quite the pickle. Press J to jump to the feed. Cookie Notice Even if you only lied by accident, say because you misunderstood the scope of a question, Department of Defense (DOD) officials are not going to cut you any slack. The process for obtaining a security clearance can take around six months to complete. If you are applying for a security clearance job and believe that an employer or salty supervisor might lie on Form INV 41, rest easy. The Defense Office of Hearings and Appeals keeps an online record of all industrial security clearance decisions. Second, Federal prosecutors also have an enormous workload and dont want to spend the resources, time and effort on these types of case. How can I show mitigation in terms of personal conduct? <br><br>My background also includes being an experienced threat . Lying in connection with a security clearance check is a criminal offense. And Tim's gonna mention his friend Andy (who Friend also didn't reference and hasn't briefed), and they're gonna go talk to Andy as well. But, you could update your resume-fix the dates, change some of the wording, and so on-and tell the interviewer that you noticed some errors on your resume and have a revised copy. You will likely be advised of 4 things prior to the interview, the purpose, the creds of the Investigator, the Privacy Act of 1974, and it being an unclassified conversation. If youre currently working with a cleared recruiter to pursue a new opportunity, they should also be able to verify your security clearance status in DISS or Scattered Castles. If they think you're lying for him, they may or may not charge you, but either way you risk any potential future clearance that you might want. Security clearance permits access to classified national security information. While I understand the urge to want to hide past indiscretions, its always better to be honest about these things. They determine the level of clearance awarded to a person, which consist of three different levels: 1) Confidential, 2) Secret, and 3) Top Secret. Polygraph exams (or "lie detector tests") raise a great deal of concern to applicants. With the increasing implementation of Continuous Evaluation for security clearance holders, government agencies are increasingly using CE enrollment as establishing a current versus expired clearance. Often times they are told by a recruiter or someone else to not disclose information such as illegal drug use which might be disqualifying. Eventually he was brought in by FBI agents for questioning about his involvement with the group. The AGSVA website contains resources to assist with your security clearance application, including a user guide and frequently asked questions. That just means your ability to appeal is limited. You might keep the clearance and the job but it will go way worse if they find out on their own. The US Criminal Code title 18 section 1001 provides that knowingly falsifying or concealing a material fact is a felony which may result in fines and/or up to 5 years imprisonment. I joined the Reserves back in 2013 where I annotated I did not do drugs on my Secret SF86. But now that you have lied, the Army may chose to separate you for lying in your application. Remember, seeking help early to improve your performance is a sign of strength and commitment. contact our security clearance attorneys for assistance! He didnt make a mistake. Run, do not walk away from this. I should have never listened to my friends or family regarding lying on it. However, if the applicant took measures to conceal or withhold the negative out various forms, such as the security questionnaire and the personal I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Even with security clearance, an employee or contractor must prove their need to know secure information before receiving access. The Defense Information System for Security (DISS) can be used by your FSO to check your clearance status for Department of Defense security clearance holders. So, my question is how do I go about correcting my mistake. Using Fed Hiring Clearance for Contractor Role. Got a qwik question and hoping the vast experience of the board will help. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. When you enter the service you have to make a drug and tobacco declaration. It maybe a waste of money. Fave hike: the Grouse Grind, Vancouver, BC. The investigators are good at their jobs and are likely to discover the truth without OPs help. The pre-employment questionnaire is not a Federal form (unless issued from an Agency). Company withdrew sponsorship after I ended up leaving for another company, so not withdrawn from my end. Idk I hate how I put myself in this stupid predicament. When you applied for security clearance, did you leave accidentally leave Lying in connection with a security clearance check is a criminal offense. They most certainly have access to previous sf86s youve filled out as well as your enlistment paperwork. Do I have to give a reason? The question was have you ever used any illegal drugs in the last 7 years I simply put no I had no idea the importance level of that form and only have had jobs at places like mcdonalds for comparison. If the former national security advisor to the President of the United States can't get away with lying to the FBI on a background check, what makes you think that you can? While they technically could falsify information on the form, background investigators will inquire for more information through other sources for any issues that come up. There are certainly some factors that I did not include, but I like to imagine most of those factors would play into my favor (ie time passed, distancing from people who do smoke, good job performance, never smoked or did any drugs while I had the clearance). I've only been actually called once. 15 years ago? As an experienced Sr. How long was this job firing? So LOTS of questions about drugs, gambling and spending habits. under the Adjudicative Guidelines. Be sure to the truthful on the SF86 and during an interview etc. If a pre-employment questionnaire asked about drug use it may be because they already know this may be a reason your clearance would be denied. What's good is that you recognize that you are in the wrong and thankfully not majorly so. If they're decent at their job they'll ask pointed questions about specific drugs or incidents. If you are notified of an intent to deny or revoke your security clearance, you have the right . Aug. 15, 2018. For the rest of the cases, agencies would rather just deny or revoke the individuals security clearance and terminate their relationship with the agency in order to move on to the next candidate. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Two Options After Lying on the SF-86 In this situation, there are really only two such options - and lying again isn't one of them: 1. I am completely unfamiliar with the clearance process. Yes - military records are not only fair game but routinely reviewed. 2.) Whoops, sorry!". Also, you don't really make clear in your OP, but how do you know that he "partied hard"? This was a lie as I had smoked weed a couple times from 2010 - 2013 and tried cocaine once in 2011. 2023 ClearanceJobs - All rights reserved. Ive personally known a Sgt with 8 years being investigated for something he was innocent of. Your Personnel Security Investigation (PSI) may be either current or expired. I appreciate your candor. For help setting up your myGovID, visit www.mygovid.gov.au . Below, however, are answers to some of omits or conceals information from their personnel security questionnaire Indeed, your clearance could be denied because you lied, even though what you were seeking to conceal would not, in itself, have caused a problem. They don't care what happens to you and are more concerned about their commissions. The information on this website is for general information purposes only. 2023 ClearanceJobs - All rights reserved. If convicted, the criminal penalties include fines of up to $10,000 and/or imprisonment up to five years. I dont write that to insult you, rather for you to see it from clearance division perspective. The idea is that this is blackmail material. If you need further help, contact the AGSVA Clearance Support Team at securityclearances@defence.gov.au . Popular clearance jobs include military and federal . 1001. The new SF86 was submitted and I still annotated "no" for the drugs since it was actually over 7 . So why dont we hear of anyone (other than background investigators) getting charged with and convicted for this offense? An accomplished Executive Advisor and Transition Specialist (veteran advocate) with a specialization in the areas of . Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled, Interned with defense contractor this past summer and needed to get Public Trust for future employment. And I left that off the security clearance paperwork. For the majority of clearance holders, a Privacy Act request through the Defense Counterintelligence and Security Agency provides the necessary information. Regardless of what they ask, do your friend a favor and be honest about the drug use, and if it's getting too specific you can just say you're not sure, you don't recall details, or you don't remember. Interesting. I recently accepted a job offer, but because of the intense competition in the job search process, I got desperate and stretched the truth on the Under Guideline E of the Adjudicative Guidelines, when someone deliberately Run, do not walk away from this. What, if anything, you decide to do about correcting the pre employment form is up to you. . " The security clearance background investigation process falls under federal guidelines, therefore any criminal charges must be filed in a Federal District Court by the charging agency. Its amazing. A little background that I could definitely get some advice about: Interned with defense contractor this past summer and needed to get Public Trust for future employment Began process with intern company (August 2019), ended up lying about marijuana and prior drug use that . "I was granted a top-secret clearance by the U.S. Department of Defense to work on particularly sensitive programs," Ossoff told reporters on March 30. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Now I'm freaking out. (They had no opinion on me.)] Edit: However, I won't lie for him. What about the other side of the coin a reference you provide lies during the investigation? Depending But continuing in the lie -- especially one that will be discovered if you ever need to apply for a security clearance -- is not something you want to do. HIs SF86 said he did not. Its still useful to inquire about your most recent investigation date and CE status before you depart one cleared position for another, or separate from military service. Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn appears to have lied to security clearance investigators by telling them he was paid by "U.S. companies" when he traveled to Russia in. If convicted, the criminal penalties include fines of up to $10,000 and/or imprisonment up to five years. So where does that leave us as far as punishing the individual? 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