I hope the Christians, after having read this, will decide to do whats ethical and moral. And so, when Our command was fulfilled, by Our mercy We saved li and his fellow believers from the disgrace of that day. Thirdly, the hadith you quoted isnt the only hadith on the topic. Success comes from Allah, and Allah knows best. [15], But despite the presence of a tribe called the Thamud as late as the fourth century, sixth-century Arab poets whose works are preserved in post-Islamic sources were already referring to the Thamud as an ancient and long-lost tribe whose very name recalled the transience of all things. What the hidden 85 percent will reveal remains to be seen. Then, his progeny, and his people, came to be known by the name of ` Ad. ** For what purpose is the tale of 'd and Thamd? Thus, the possibility exists that the Edomites copied the mountainous dwellings of the Thamud, just as the Nabateans may have copiedor took over the architectural style of the Edomites or the Thamud and added their own flavor. After several centuries of independent existence, it was finally incorporated into the Roman empire in 106 AD. Archaeologists should do their job the way they do and in case of any finding, they can confirm whether it conflicts with the Quran or not; if it does not, then there is nothing wrong to proceed with it further but if it does, then archaeology needs to be further examined however, such an occurrence would never happen since the Quran is from God. Eph'al instead speculates that the Thamd and other Arab tribes may have made arrangements with Sargon to trade in Samaria, which Assyrian historians embellished as submission. The Ayah is general [And how many a city have I (Allah) destroyed]? Like the people of Ad, they erected huge buildings on the plains and hewed beautiful homes out of the hills. What do we intend to get out of the statement that they were more in number and strength in what they left behind. There are countless artists, pundits, and celebrities who mock Allah, His Messenger (pbuh), and Islam. This is what the Sovereign LORD says about Edom The Kingdom of Thamud was the first existing kingdom on the Arabian peninsula, according to Assyrian and Roman sources. Verses 15:80-83describe its inhabitants as carving their homes out of mountains and being decimated by a loud shriek characteristics ascribed by the Quran elsewhere to the people of Thamud2. 15:75 can also be interpreted as a HISTORICAL sign/reminder when referring to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. The earliest Arab tribes emerged from Bedouins. Then bring us what you promise us if you are among the truthful.Chapter 7, Verse 70, It is all the same to us if you advise us are not from among the advisors. A temple they constructed at Rawwafa, 200 miles north of Medina, mentions the following in a Greek-Nabataean bilingual inscription: For the wellbeing of the rulers of the whole world . The earliest abundant references for Thamud in our literary sources are in relation to the Nabataean empire a large Arab kingdom encompassing parts of modern Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia (including the Hejaz, the area containing Mecca and Medina) and even parts of Sinai. In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful. The title People of al-Hijr was, therefore, that of Nabateans who came much late in history and their period overlapped with Thamud-II, the remnants of Thamud-I, the subject of Quran.[5]. When Salih began to preach monotheism, the Thamud demanded that he prove his prophethood by bringing forth a pregnant camel from solid rock. [9] The Thamd also joined the Roman armies as auxiliaries, and the Notitia Dignitatum mentions two units of Thamd warriors serving the Roman Empire, one in Egypt and the other in Palestine.[10]. Now we dont see the remains of Nuhs AS people now do we? It describes what they used to do i.e. Wadi al-Qura, refer to the article above. [2] We do not know where they went, but they carried on the practice of stone carvings in the mountains. I believe carving out structures in hills and mountains may have been a common practice within the ancient Arabia and its surroundings based on both the Biblical and Quranic accounts. 1. However, now none may be visible and what is visible now are those made centuries later. Thamud scripts and finds are noted in the area as well as possible signs of the ancient people before Thamud. [Qur'an . They mixed with the people of Qahtan and descendants of Prophet Abraham pbuh. The Nabateans have not left us with any records, thus inscriptions become the primary dating of these structures. The facades vary in height and in the richness of their decorations. you who live in the clefts of the rocks, For the town in Yemen, see, sfn error: no target: CITEREFEph'al1984 (, "Al-Hijr Archaeological Site (Madin Slih)", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thamud&oldid=1132970365, This page was last edited on 11 January 2023, at 16:00. This is because Prophet Ismail (AS) is often considered to be the father of Arabs just like Prophet Ishaaq/Isaac (AS) is considered to be the father of the Israelites. And perhaps, over the generations, these people developed their own magnificent society with its own special hallmarks and characteristics. So they concluded that the Nabateans did constructed them. This is the she-camel of Allah [sent] to you as a sign. Also two Saheeh reports are contradicting each other: One the one hand, they are resting at al Hijr, while on the other hand it is said that they didnt rest at all and kept riding away faster from Hijr. Corrections? Therefore, the Adnanites are descendants of Abraham. Jazak Allah, Ok thanks jazzakkallah that about it thanks but out of the 8 theorys I put down before witch one would you pick to be the best interpretation thanks and when you say (archaic) do you mean that are civilization is better then the people of AD relics or the other way round that there relics are better than are houses or do you just mean there relics are better then the mekkahans houses and madian houses etc I didnt really understand you by that bit but thanks for your helping jazzakkallah. Not every opinion that he held was necessarily a divine revelation. They wanted to prove that (scientifically, of course) that Salih was not telling the truth. The ruined abandoned wells and ruined lofty palaces were present at the time of the Prophet (). [pp. Create a free website or blog at WordPress.com. Marcus Aurelius Anthoninus and Lucius Aurelius Verus, who are the conquerors of the Armenians. I am sure that is not the intention but it may appear like that. But I digress. We simply do not know the true date and timeline for when the first Thamud of the Quran existed and, therefore, it would be difficult, if not impossible, to accurately identify the ruins of such an ancient civilization that lived thousands years ago. The Thamud are mentioned in contemporary Mesopotamian, Classical, and Arabian sources, including in inscriptions in a temple erected in the 160s for the god lh, by the Thamud themselves. The Nabataean alphabet was adopted by Arabs to the south, and evolved into modern Arabic script around the 4th century. in general: W. Caskel, amharat an-Nasab, das genealogische Werk des Him Ibn Muammad al-Kalb, Leiden 1966. harvnb error: no target: CITEREFElling2013 (. As were dealing with an allegation that is mostly Christian in origin, I am going to start with what the Bible says about the topic. You would only make my loss greater. If we remember that Ismails mother (Hajjar) was an Egyptian, or Coptic, slave, and his father Prophet Ibrahim (AS) was Babylonian, then its obvious that he couldnt also be Arab. The Akkadians are the Arameans who are the Chaldeans who are the Nabateans who absorbed The Amorites. They could either mean that we can see the remains and consider the signs and warnings or theyre giving HISTORICAL lessons and portents for us to take note. It is possible that multiple unrelated groups took on the name of Thamud; they probably spoke Old Arabic. They boasted of their physical strength, and power; they thought that this would protect them from Allh's punishment. But the Thamud were more nuanced in their rejection. Man, you must be crazy. These people incurred the wrath of God and were destroyed. [19], To the Thamd, We sent their brother, li. According to Dr. Nehme, a senior research scientist at the French National Center for Scientific Research, the Nabateans have left us with almost no written material that would shed any light on their origins or even daily affairs. In other words either the evidence no longer exists (no problem) or Thamudic dwellings in North West Arabia are yet to be discovered. [Quran 27:45]. The video (arabic): https://youtu.be/0XIPP6vsDmA. Yusuf Ali: But if they turn away, say thou: "I . 3) The tombs were in fact built by Thamud as houses and the Nabateans simply inscribed them later. Long before the Roman empire, before Alexanders conquests, even before the great Persian monarchs, there were the Assyrians lords of much of the Middle East, and archetypes of almost every empire that came after them. JazakAllah, Thats fine I know that is just the way some people talk I talk to the point because Im using a mobile so I have to keep as short as possible my problem with the verse was normally when it says travel the land or as such its talking about nations close and the nations close to the Arabs were ad and thamud so some say that this verse is saying the quran thinks these buildings were built by thamud but we know they were built by the nabtions not thamud but we know the quran is not wrong so how do we explain that verse jazzakkallah because it makes it sound like that is this verse speaking in the present tense or past like tilka arabic and lam arabic jazzakkallah thanks for the help, Its like the same problem with 40:21 40:82 it sounds like thamud and pointing to these tombs etc but we know it cant be so how do we explain this as well jazzakkallah, And 27:52 because people say this sounds like it as well the kawatan arabic means empty so it sounds like it saying these tombs as well but it is mainly 28:58 I have the problem with jazzakkallah. While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. They conquered other nations and treated them harshly. [27:49]. Their responses were a reflection of this culture. After giving birth, the camel drank all the water from a well every two days and then produced enormous amounts of milk for the people. The Quran itself says that the dwellings of Thamud were khawiyatan during the time of the Qurans revelation. (9:70) Have they not heard the accounts of those who came before them [77] - of the people of Noah and 'Ad and Thamud, and the people of Abraham and the dwellers of Madyan (Midian), and the cities that were overturned? 63-65. [Prophet], it is your Lord who is the Strong, the Mighty One. Assalam alikum forget the rest of what Ive put down but I was just wondering does 36:41 prove that every one on the earth comes from the people of tge ark if yes then how does that work because people could still see thamud dwellings so that means they could only come thousands of years of go but we know noah had to come near them but we know humans have been here at least 40 thousand bc so how do we explain this, Assalam alikum thanks for the answers but thamud had to be destroyed no lesser than 3000 bc not 800 bc jazzakallah because thamud came before Abraham jazzakallah but thanks, Also if the quran says the area is wadi al qura then madian al saleh is not wadi al qura jazzakallah but thanks, But of course in there empire day they would of probably built in wadi al qura and al ula and madian al saleh and else where in there area because they would of had a large population any where between 20 thousand to 50 thousand people because mekkah and median together came to 20-40 thousand people in the prophets day and 40:21 says these people were more in population so they had to be more than mekkah and median, Assalam alikum also dies 7:74 mean that Thamud were the descendents of ad or not or were they they descendents of ad jazzakallah. Tribes originating in the Arabian Peninsula. A report in the hadith collection of Bukhari makes this connection between Thamud and al-Hijr quite explicit. So they used to carve and not they still carve. What is uncovered thus far reveal that the structures are not dwellings, but tombs. that that Thamud did it then the edomites took over then the nabteaons but all I know is that Thamud existed before 3000 bc so 3000 bc is probably when they were destroyed then the edomites revamped them made them look new then the nabteaons did the same and I believe the tribe of ad was destroyed weather 5-8 thousand bc and I believe noahs flood was around the ending off the ice age what was between 10-13 thousand bc became the population of the world was only 1 million at 10 thousand bc and no more than 20 million people at 5000 bc what makes stuff interesting but as a side note if the quran does say that noahs people was the first to commit shirk then ad then thamud but none at the same time or between then thamud had to come before 9000 bc so that was when they would be destroyed because the gobeki tepe was built then and that was definitely pagan shirk but this is my opion but thanks, And of course ad was the descendents of noah and thamud was the descendents of ad. Is there a possibility that these remaining tombs (around 1400 years back, were more in number and had dwellings as well) were inscribed upon by the Nabataeans as has already been proposed and I came across a while back, Assalam alikum what about 40:21 and 40:82 if someone could explain these verses, Walikum Assalam, And they used to carve from the mountains, houses, feeling secure. God sent Salih to warn them, then after they ignored him and murdered a she-camel that God sent, He killed them and left only Salih and those who followed him alive. It does not state, however, who made the inscriptions. The Thamd were known from contemporary sources to have occupied parts of the Hejaz region, and later Islamic tradition holds that they settled on the slopes of Mount Athlab. . As Dost aptly observes, thedescription [of Aad and Thamud] in the Qurn is the sum of historical memory and topographical observations modeled on the familiar configuration of perished peoples, (This is part of series on Arabia. In my opinion this is an argument that Muslims have to tackle thoroughly due to its ease of presentation by non-Muslims and (hypothetical) explanatory power. Though you build your nest as high as the eagles, 15. Ok thanks jazzakkallah but do you think the verse can be in past tense and the verse you quote above in your article 89:9 is it talking about homes on the plains or homes in mountains and the verse makes it sound like they could see these houses in the mountions so it makes it sound like this verse is saying the tombs are thamud dwellings so how do we explain this verse or is it just saying they used to do that like ad used too do pillars in the verse before or is that verse saying as well they could still see those pillars jazzakkallah sorry to keep bothering you. This bears enough similarity to the description of the Thamd dwellings in theQurn to induce certain authors to claim that they are the houses of the Thamd. Who can bring me down to the ground? Objection number 2 is not a major problem once we consider the various factors involved. Rise, let us go against her for battle 4. Your email address will not be published. As for objection number one, as far as my research has shown, the only reason that the carved-out structures are considered tombs is due to various rectangular carved out niches inside them where the dead bodies were to be placed. [4] This entire passage has been sent by Sharif. The Thamud (Arabic: , romanized:amd) were an ancient Arabian tribe or tribal confederation[1] that occupied the northwestern Arabian peninsula between the late-eighth century BCE, when they are attested in Assyrian sources, and the fifth century CE, when they served as Roman auxiliaries. Dont ignore them. The Quran and Sunnah do not identify any specific existing ruins as belonging to the first ancient tribe of Thamud, although some Muslim historians and popular folklore have done so. Thamud were destroyed What do we know about the Nabateans? Akkadians Also you said 89:9 means a valley is not Madain al saleh a vally or is it not 5. They were a little more inquisitive (at least at first). And take for yourselves palaces and fortresses that you may abide eternally?Chapter 26, Verses 128 129. Also if it is in the present it makes it sound there buildings were like brand new like not destroyed etc, This is it then Im done but thank you very much for answering my questions jazzakkallah, 3. Like some of the tombs have window openings and some of the niches are not much more wide than a hand, which hardly can serve as a resting place for a human body. [23] The ninth-century Muslim scholar Ibn Sad believed that the Thamud were the Nabateans. Here you can read various translations of verse 38. SSH and Password-less communication using SSH, Basics of Cryptography and Digital Signature, The Quranic tribes of 'Aad and Thamud - a historical perspective, Lenin khuda ke huzoor mein: A simplified commentary, Q 7:74 mentions Thamud as building houses out of mountains, while Q 54:31 confirms that they were destroyed by a shriek. 4. In addition to building gigantic structures, the Aad were also conquerors. Accordingly, the Thamud were a powerful and idolatrous tribe living in Hegra, now called Madin li, the Cities of liin northwestern Arabia. The following commentary on the verses from Obadiah, found in biblestudytools.com, is rather revealing. Amend their accusation to now include the Bible also. Its not an easy read, especially as most of the stories leave the reader perplexed in terms of their relevancy to ones personal life or attainment of anything didactic that enriches or nurtures a relationship with God. And does the verses before say the Arabs could see the Arabs loft pillars or just saying what they used to do 89:6-8 1995. International Dictionary of Historic Places. These verses can be found in multiple books, we will focus on Obadiah and Jeremiah. Good reply Adeel. The exact details of their faith are not mentioned much in the Quran, but it was definitely something that was practiced by most of the society. I just had the chance to look at the comments now and I dont seem to understand the problem here. They just wanted to catch him in some sort of inconsistency they could use to discredit him. You can find the first onehere), Thamud were before time of the Israelites they were same time as the Assyrians who they mixed with. The coloring of (sedentary culture) established itself firmly. This is the temple that was built by the tribal unit of Thamd, the leaders of their unit, so that it might be established by their hands and be their place of veneration forever with the support of Antistius Adventus, the governor. Several other inscriptions bearing the namesAad and Iram have been discovered in Jordan. Allah does not want wrong for the servants. [15:80-84], , Abdullah b. The Middle verse in chapter (25) of the Noble Quran talks about Noah's people, Ad (the people of the prophet Hud) and Thamud (the people of the prophet Salih). If they were made for dead bodies, it stands to reason that we should find at least one dead body in them. The world is a prison-house for a believer and Par ()_ (): _ _____Terminology of Hadith. The Edomites and Thamud Based on the Quranic and Biblical evidence, and the lack of archeological evidence which can conclusively show that every single structure that is excavated, and those that will be excavated in the future, are all Nabatean in origin, I believe carving out structures on hills and mountains originated with the Thamud, which was later adopted by the Edomites, which later still, was adopted by the Nabateans. Al-ijr is now a vast plain, interspersed with hills into which what looks from the outside like houses or tombs have been carved. One of the main lessons I see is that we must be very careful about mocking or challenging Allah. The ruins were identified by the Prophet (s) as belonging to those who wronged themselves, without ascribing them to the very first tribe of Thamud. The Christians are claiming that the Qurans statement about Thamud carving structures in the hills and mountains is demonstrably false as the structures are built not by the Thamud but by the Nabateans, who came much later. Its also implausible that a people who would be at the helm of such epic architectural and engineering achievements would not even make mention of it, or at least keep a record of it. [3] As the "Ta-mu-di", the peoples are mentioned together with the Ephah, the "Ibadidi", and the "Marsimani" as part of "the distant desert-dwelling Arabs who knew neither overseers nor officials and had not brought their tribute to any king". Thats all the Thamud had to do. And 'Ad and Thamud (people)! Why? Chapter (41) srat fuilat (Explained in Detail) Sahih International: But if they turn away, then say, "I have warned you of a thunderbolt like the thunderbolt [that struck] 'Aad and Thamud.. Pickthall: But if they turn away, then say: I warn you of a thunderbolt like the thunderbolt (which fell of old upon the tribes) of A'ad and Thamud;. They are related to Thamd only in being much later structures sharing the same geographical location. The caliphate also allowed the migration of Arab tribes to Egypt. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. Hence I clearly mentioned in my original comment that this seems to be the weakest of all interpretations. The calamity must have been fairly extensive in area and intense in the terror it inspired for it is described as a single mighty blast, the sort of terror inspiring noise which accompanies all big earthquakes.. These include Sunni Huwala and Achomi people, who compromise of both fully Arab and mixed Arab-Persian families. He who had faith said (to Pharaoh and his company): O my people, I fear for you the likes of the day of the confederates, the likes of the fate of the people of Noah, Ad, and Thamud and those after them. The Arabs then could see Thamud dwellings but we today cannot. However, not all of them were destroyed; Salih and hisfollowers continued to live on. Sahih International. (2). It is argued that the Quran and the Prophet () made an error in history and facts[1]. A Reminder of the Story of `Ad and Thamd By Ibn Kathir - Fri 14 Muharram 1425 (5 Mar 2004) 0 5604 Explanation: means, they were arrogant, stubborn and disobedient. This shouldnt be surprising as the Quraish, and in fact most faiths, do the same thing. It is possible that the dwelling areas are no longer visible in the last 1400 years as these are just small rooms and tombs with no space inside. If you keep that mindset, youll go far, Inshallah. Other ahadith mention that this was the land of Thamud ie. http://saudi-archaeology.com/sites/madain-saleh/. They also fell to idol-worshipping. Expel Jews and Christians from Arabian Peninsula? The Prophet ordered that the drinking water be split and the flour given to the camels, and he ordered them to drink the water from the well to which the she-camel (of Salih) had come. So nothing availed them [from] what they used to earn. An archeologist studying Mount Rushmore 2000 years after the inscriptions may well deduce that the statues of Mount Rushmore were made by Latin Americans and even guess the date incorrectly. [22], Thamudic is an aggregate name for some 15,000 inscriptions from all over Arabia, which have not been properly studied and identified as separate languages. Imagine if in a thousand years, the United States is a completely different landscape, much of it devoid of inhabitants and all of the history associated with its people are lost. Answer (1 of 7): Yes They were called the people of Aad and they were ancient arabs. From the overall area of a few miles, that particular area of a few feet had Thamudic remains. They were able to build great structures and buildings, They had children to carry on their progeny. [11] An important exception is a temple at al-Ruwfa in northwestern Saudi Arabia, built by the Thamd themselves in the 160s CE. you will be utterly despised. Assalamualaikum what do u think of the carbon dating and the presence of wells? Allah sent a powerful windstorm to the Aad that destroyed them and left them sprawled and mangled in their homes. [27] Both tribes are of great reputed antiquity and, according to traditional Arab genealogists, are two of the four ba 'ida, or extinct tribes. Also, 28:40 is referring to Pharaoh and the verse tells us to BEHOLD how Allah SWT dealt with him without us being present to see it. Look, it doesnt matter if you warn us or dont warn us, were not going to listen to you. Hence, they didnt engage in long, drawn out debates with Hud. [15] A major source of income for these people was the taxation of caravans, and tributes collected from non-Bedouin settlements. Saudi Arabia, in terms of archaeology, is really untouched. Perhaps they wandered through the Arabian Peninsula for some time looking for a new home. and the pride of your heart have deceived you, There was a great influx of Arab tribes into Khuzestan from the 16th to the 19th century, including the migration of the Banu Ka'b and Banu Lam from the Arabian desert. When Allah sent their brother Salih (AS) to advise them of the true faith, they rejected him just like the Aad had rejected Hud before. There has come to you clear evidence from your Lord. According to the Islamic tradition, the Thamd were warned by the prophet li to worship Allh, but the Thamd stubbornly refused and as a result were annihilated either by a thunderbolt or by an earthquake. But as well see below, archaeological and literary records place them firmly in Northern Arabia/Jordan, well after the death of Jesus (33 AD). Do not enter the dwellings of those who wronged themselves unless you are weeping, lest you be afflicted with the likes of what afflicted them. Did the Prophet try to execute a man without proof? The crafts became abundant and firmly rooted. declares the LORD. I would be interested in your response to my other points as well. The Nabataeans were nomadic Arabs who moved into territory vacated by the Edomites Semites who settled the region centuries before them. these 2 ayat that have been repeated elsewhere are a beautiful reminder of the lessons to be learned and ibra from the civilizations that have long gone and their signs remain for those that follow and there are many such examples of these very beautiful and instructive verses. [Sahih Muslim, Book 55, Hadith 49]. In fact they were pretty snarky in their responses. Between the mountains were valleys with gardens and springs of water. Unfortunately, both nations rejected their prophets. [22], A poem attributed to Umayya ibn Abi--alt, a Meccan contemporary of Muhammad who refused to accept Islam, contains a reference to the camel and Thamud. While certain online Christian communities are abuzz with elation and glee, some Muslims are faced with difficulties in formulating a proper response to the latest Christian accusation. . However, as the Christians have proposed an objection to the notion of any other people carving structures in hills and mountains prior to the Nabateans, this leaves the Christians with the following options: (1). Even though they built great sculptures, they werent extremely sophistated people. Have you not considered how your Lord dealt with Aad; of Iram of the lofty pillars? (Quran 89:6-7). They said, "li, We used to have such great hope in you. Also bonus when you say there buildings were not on the surface what do you mean do you mean the outside was gone but you could see the inside like a cave do you mean that, 15. Had the Prophet () thought that the rock carved structures in al-Hijr were those of Thamd, he would have pointed them out. Ive discussed this more below. They may believe in Allah and may even worship Him in some ways. Not only did they reject them, they mocked, ridiculed, and in the case of Salih (AS) they even tried to kill him. They built buildings on the land and also carved them in hills. There is no possibility that these were houses. I guess it can be said that the Nabataeans can be considered one of the nations succeeding the people of Thamud. More than a century after Jesus, in the reign of the Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius (d. 180 AD), we find that a part of the Thamud tribe was enrolled in the Roman army. 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